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... The world. I'm aligned with the world. And I want to get this thing over with. You see
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00:04-00:08
the hatred he's got for Putin. It's very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of hate.
Trump:
00:08-00:13
He's got tremendous hatred. And I understand that. But I can tell you the other side isn't
Trump:
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exactly in love with him either. So it's not a question of alignment. I have to -- I'm
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aligned with the world. I want to get the thing set. I'm aligned with Europe. I want
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00:26-00:31
to see if we can get this thing done. You want me to be tough? I could be tougher than
Trump:
00:31-00:36
any human being you've ever seen. I'd be so tough. But you're never going to get a deal
Trump:
00:36-00:38
that way. So that's the way it goes."
Trump:
00:38-00:39
All right, one more question.
Vance:
00:41-00:44
I will respond to this. So, look, for four years in the United States of America, we
Vance:
00:44-00:49
had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin, and
Vance:
00:49-00:54
then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path
Vance:
00:54-01:01
to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway
Vance:
01:01-01:07
of Joe Biden of thumping our chest and pretending that the president of the United States'
Vance:
01:07-01:12
words mattered more than the president of the United States' actions. What makes America
Vance:
01:12-01:16
a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That's what President Trump is doing.
Zelensky:
01:16-01:17
Can I ask you?
Vance:
01:17-01:18
Sure.
Zelensky:
01:18-01:19
Yeah?
Vance:
01:19-01:20
Yeah.
Zelensky:
01:20-01:30
Okay. So he occupied our parts, big parts of Ukraine, parts of East and Crimea. So he
Zelensky:
01:30-01:38
occupied it on 2014. So during a lot of years – I'm not speaking about just Biden, but
Zelensky:
01:38-01:45
those time was Obama, then President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden,
Zelensky:
01:45-01:51
now President Trump, and God bless, now President Trump will stop him. But during 2014, nobody
Zelensky:
01:51-01:56
stopped him. He just occupied and took. He killed people. You know what the contact line...
Trump:
01:57-01:58
2015.
Zelensky:
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2014.
Vance:
01:59-02:00
2014.
Trump:
02:00-02:01
2014.
Trump:
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I was not here.
Vance:
02:02-02:03
That's exactly right.
Zelensky:
02:03-02:12
Yeah, but – yes, but during 2014 till 2022, the situation the same. People have
Zelensky:
02:12-02:17
been dying on the contact line. Nobody stopped him. You know that we had conversations with
Zelensky:
02:17-02:25
him, a lot of conversation, my bilateral conversation, and we signed with him, me, like a new president,
Zelensky:
02:25-02:34
in 2019 I signed with him the deal. I signed with him, Macron and Merkel, we signed ceasefire.
Zelensky:
02:34-02:41
Ceasefire. All of them told me that he will never go. We signed him gas contract, gas
Zelensky:
02:41-02:48
contract. Yes, but after that, he broken the ceasefire. He killed our people and he didn't
Zelensky:
02:48-02:54
exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. What kind
Zelensky:
02:54-02:58
of diplomacy, J.D., you are speaking about? What do you mean?
Vance:
02:58-03:02
I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction
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03:02-03:03
of your country.
Zelensky:
03:03-03:04
Yes, but if you are not –
Vance:
03:04-03:06
Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful
Vance:
03:06-03:09
for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American
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03:09-03:14
media. Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines
Vance:
03:14-03:19
because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the President for trying to bring
Vance:
03:19-03:20
it into this conflict.
Zelensky:
03:20-03:23
Have you ever been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have?
Vance:
03:23-03:24
I have been to –
Zelensky:
03:24-03:25
Count once.
Vance:
03:25-03:30
I have actually watched and seen the stories, and I know what happens is you
Vance:
03:30-03:35
bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President. Do you disagree that
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03:35-03:38
you've had problems bringing people into your military?
Zelensky:
03:38-03:39
We have problems.
Vance:
03:39-03:42
Do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States
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03:42-03:47
of America and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your
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03:47-03:48
country?
Zelensky:
03:48-03:51
A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning.
Vance:
03:51-03:52
Sure.
Zelensky:
03:52-03:55
First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you. But you
Zelensky:
03:55-04:01
have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future. God bless.
Trump:
04:01-04:02
You don't know that.
Zelensky:
04:02-04:03
God bless.
Trump:
04:03-04:04
You don't know that.
Zelensky:
04:04-04:05
God bless. You will not have a war.
Trump:
04:05-04:07
Вon't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying to
Trump:
04:07-04:09
solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel.
Zelensky:
04:09-04:10
I'm not telling you.
Trump:
04:10-04:12
Because you're in no position to dictate that.
Vance:
04:12-04:13
That's exactly what you're doing.
Trump:
04:13-04:19
You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. We're going to feel
Trump:
04:19-04:20
very good.
Zelensky:
04:20-04:21
You will feel influence.
Trump:
04:21-04:23
We're going to feel very good and very strong.
Zelensky:
04:23-04:24
You will feel influence.
Trump:
04:24-04:28
You're right now not in a very good position. You've allowed yourself to
Trump:
04:28-04:30
be in a very bad position and he happens to be right about it.
Zelensky:
04:30-04:32
From the very beginning of the war, Mr. President, I was –
Trump:
04:32-04:36
You're not in a good position. You don't have the cards right now. With us,
Trump:
04:36-04:37
you start having cards.
Zelensky:
04:37-04:38
I'm not playing cards.
Trump:
04:38-04:39
Right now, you don't have – you're playing cards.
Zelensky:
04:39-04:40
I'm very serious, Mr. President.
Trump:
04:40-04:41
You're playing cards.
Zelensky:
04:41-04:42
I'm very serious.
Trump:
04:42-04:43
You're gambling with the lives of millions of people.
Zelensky:
04:43-04:44
I'm very serious.
Trump:
04:44-04:45
You're gambling with the lives of millions of people.
Zelensky:
04:45-04:46
What you're thinking -
Trump:
04:46-04:47
You're gambling with World War III.
Zelensky:
04:47-04:48
What do you think -
Trump:
04:48-05:06
You're gambling with World War III. And what you're doing is very disrespectful
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05:06-05:07
to the country, this country, that's backed you far more than a lot of people said they
Trump:
05:07-05:08
should have.
Vance:
05:09-05:10
Have you said thank you once in this entire meeting?
Zelensky:
05:10-05:11
A lot of times.
Vance:
05:11-05:12
No, in this entire meeting, have you said thank you?
Zelensky:
05:12-05:13
Even today.
Vance:
05:13-05:14
You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October,
Vance:
05:14-05:15
offered some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the President
Vance:
05:15-05:16
who's trying to save your country.
Trump:
05:16-05:22
Please, you think that if you will speak very loudly about the war you can ...
Trump:
05:23-05:25
He's not speaking loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country is in big
Trump:
05:25-05:26
trouble.
Zelensky:
05:26-05:27
Can I answer?
Trump:
05:27-05:29
Wait a minute. No, no. You've done a lot of talking. Your country is in
Trump:
05:29-05:30
big trouble.
Zelensky:
05:30-05:31
I know. I know.
Trump:
05:31-05:35
You're not winning. You're not winning this. You have a damn good chance
Trump:
05:35-05:37
of coming out okay because of us.
Zelensky:
05:37-05:40
Mr. President. We are staying in our country, staying strong.
Zelensky:
05:40-05:44
From the very beginning of the war, we've been alone. And we are thankful. I said thanks in this cabinet ...
Trump:
05:45-05:50
You haven't done a lot. We gave you, through this stupid President, $350 billion.
Zelensky:
05:51-05:52
You voted for your President.
Trump:
05:52-05:53
We gave you military equipment.
Zelensky:
05:53-05:54
You voted for your President.
Trump:
05:54-05:56
And your men are brave, but they had to use our military equipment.
Zelensky:
05:56-05:57
What about this?
Trump:
05:57-05:58
If you didn't have our military equipment ...
Zelensky:
05:58-05:59
You invited me to speak ...
Trump:
05:59-06:05
If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks.
Zelensky:
06:06-06:09
In three days. I heard it from Putin. In three days. This is something you ...
Trump:
06:10-06:11
Maybe less.
Zelensky:
06:10-06:11
Of course, yes
Trump:
06:11-06:14
It's going to be a very hard thing to do business like this. I tell you.
Vance:
06:14-06:15
Just say thank you.
Zelensky:
06:15-06:18
I said it many times to American people.
Vance:
06:18-06:23
Accept that there are disagreements, and let's go litigate those disagreements
Vance:
06:23-06:28
rather than trying to fight it out in the American media when you're wrong. We know
Vance:
06:28-06:29
that you're wrong.
Trump:
06:29-06:31
But you see, I think it's good for the American people to see what's
Trump:
06:31-06:32
going on.
Vance:
06:32-06:33
I understand, sir.
Trump:
06:33-06:36
I think it's very important. That's why I kept this going so long. You
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06:36-06:41
have to be thankful.
Zelensky:
06:36-06:41
I am thankful.
Trump:
06:36-06:41
You don't have the cards. You're buried there. You have people
Trump:
06:41-06:43
that died. You're running low on soldiers.
Zelensky:
06:43-06:44
I know. Don't, please...
Trump:
06:44-06:48
Listen. You're running low on soldiers. It would be a damn good thing.
Trump:
06:48-06:53
And then you tell us, I don't want a ceasefire. I don't want a ceasefire. I want to go,
Trump:
06:53-06:59
and I want this. Look, if you could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you, you'd take
Trump:
06:59-07:01
it so the bullets stop flying and your men stop getting killed.
Zelensky:
07:01-07:03
Of course we want to stop the war.
Trump:
07:03-07:04
But you're saying you don't want a ceasefire.
Zelensky:
07:04-07:05
But I said to you –
Trump:
07:05-07:06
I want a ceasefire.
Zelensky:
07:06-07:07
– with guarantees.
Trump:
07:07-07:09
Because you'll get a ceasefire faster than an agreement.
Zelensky:
07:09-07:11
Ask our people about ceasefire, what they think.
Trump:
07:11-07:12
That wasn't with me.
Zelensky:
07:12-07:13
It doesn't matter for you what the ceasefire means.
Trump:
07:13-07:18
That wasn't with me. That was with a guy named Biden, who was not a
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07:18-07:20
smart person. That was with Obama.
Zelensky:
07:20-07:22
This is your president. It was your president.
Trump:
07:22-07:26
Excuse me. That was with Obama, who gave you sheets, and I gave you Javelins.
Zelensky:
07:26-07:27
Yes.
Trump:
07:27-07:31
I gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks. Obama gave you
Trump:
07:31-07:38
sheets. In fact, the statement is, Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins. You got to
Trump:
07:38-07:43
be more thankful, because let me tell you, you don't have the cards. With us, you have
Trump:
07:43-07:46
the cards. But without us, you don't have any cards.
07:46-07:49
One more question to Mr. Vice President. I'm sorry –
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07:49-07:52
It's going to be a tough deal to make, because
Trump:
07:52-07:53
the attitudes have to change.
07:53-08:00
What if Russia breaks the ceasefire? What if Russia breaks these talks? What do you
08:00-08:04
do then? I understand that it's a heated conversation right now.
Trump:
08:04-08:05
What are you saying?
Vance:
08:06-08:08
She's asking, what if Russia breaks the ceasefire?
Trump:
08:08-08:12
Q What if – what if anything? What if a bomb drops on your head right now?
08:12-08:13
But they have broken the ceasefire.
Trump:
08:13-08:17
Okay? What if they broke it? I don't know. They broke it with Biden, because
Trump:
08:17-08:21
Biden, they didn't respect him. They didn't respect Obama. They respect me.
Trump:
08:23-08:25
Let me tell you, Putin went through a hell of a lot with me. He went through
Trump:
08:25-08:31
a phony witch hunt where they used him and Russia – Russia, Russia, Russia. You ever
Trump:
08:31-08:37
hear of that deal? That was a phony – that was a phony Hunter Biden, Joe Biden scam.
Trump:
08:37-08:43
Hillary Clinton, shifty Adam Schiff. It was a Democrat scam. And he had to go through
Trump:
08:43-08:48
that. And he did go through it. We didn't end up in a war. And he went through it. He
Trump:
08:48-08:52
was accused of all that stuff. He had nothing to do with it. It came out of Hunter Biden's
Trump:
08:52-08:59
bathroom. It came out of Hunter Biden's bedroom. It was disgusting. And then they
Trump:
08:59-09:07
said, oh, oh, the laptop from hell was made by Russia, the 51 agents. The whole thing
Trump:
09:07-09:12
was a scam. And he had to put up with that. He was being accused of all that stuff.
Trump:
09:12-09:18
All I can say is this. He might have broken deals with Obama and Bush, and he might have
Trump:
09:18-09:22
broken them with Biden. He did, maybe. Maybe he didn't. I don't know what happened.
Trump:
09:22-09:26
But he didn't break them with me. He wants to make a deal. I don't know if he can make
Trump:
09:26-09:32
a deal. The problem is I've empowered you to be a tough guy. And I don't think you'd
Trump:
09:32-09:37
be a tough guy without the United States. And your people are very brave. But you're
Trump:
09:37-09:42
either going to make a deal or we're out. And if we're out, you'll fight it out.
Trump:
09:42-09:46
I don't think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out. But you don't
Trump:
09:46-09:51
have the cards. But once we sign that deal, you're in a much better position. But you're
Trump:
09:51-09:56
not acting at all thankful. And that's not a nice thing. I'll be honest. That's not
Trump:
09:56-10:02
a nice thing. All right. I think we've seen enough. What do you think? This is going to
Trump:
10:02-10:09
be great television. I will say that. We'll see what we can do about putting up with that.